I said: “As for the communism mention.. Well, communists were a lot of things, but they weren’t anything close to a bunch of terrorist cold-blooded killers. They were and are a valid political party who don’t sit around thinking up ways to kill us, so their ‘extinction’ is not an issue when compared to terrorists.”

You said: “What history books have you read?!? I can’t believe I just read that.”

What can’t you believe? That communists didn’t devot the majority of their days to thinking of ways to killing us?

If you believe they did, then you’d also have to say the the other participant in the cold war, America, also sat around thinking up ways to kill communists every day all day. And therefore, Democracy == terrorism (if you follow readnekkers train of thought).

Maybe I should have clarified that a bit more originally, but I don’t see what you’re getting at.

Iraq didn’t harbor terrorists before the war.

Iraq invading Kuwait 13 years ago doesn’t make them a direct threat to the U.S. in 2003. In fact, we already had a war to deal with that problem.

The UN imposing sanctions on Iraq didn’t mean they were a direct threat either. Quite the opposite if you think about it.

Saddam gassing his own people back in the 80’s posed a direct threat to the U.S. how exactly?

As for evidence of the Taliban regaining power and re-emerging as a danger in Afghanistan, check the news. Nine people were killed in a bombing not 2 days ago in Afghanistan. The Taliban claimed responsibility. Or three days ago, when 7 kids were killed by a susptect Taliban blast.

Where is the source for 3/4th of Al Queda leadership being ‘put away’?

Saying that Democrats are ‘against terrorism’ is a nice try, but thats so 2002 era GOP talking points!

As for the rest, you’re entitled to your opinion. And remember, compared to the rest of the United States, the world has it’s priorities straight!

What a stretch to say this is a flip flop. Similar to a Previous attempt. Dems are getting more desperate.

The fact that Iraq has hindered us in the fight against terror is well documented,
*sigh* … It’s also well documented that Bush received intelligence from Russia, Germany, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia and our own CIA that told him Hussein had or was within months of producing nuclear weapons. Additionally, Iraqi officials met with Abu Musab al-Zarqawi when al-Zarqawi was in a Baghdad hospital. If al-Qaeda would have struck, you’d have blogged that “W had all the intelligence he needed, but didn’t act!”

Please explain how the war in Iraq makes us more safe and not less safe.
I think most of Americans understand how it does while others try not to understand.

Iraq was never a direct threat to the US,
Hiter wasn’t a direct threat to the US either.

nor were they a ‘terrorist regime’,
So, paying homicide bombers families’ $25,000 if they kill Israelis doesn’t constitute a terrorist regime?
Hussein was similar to Pol Pot and I would classify their regimes as terrorist. You wouldn’t?

and fighting that war has done nothing to make us safer from terrorism.
What would happen if Iraq bombed Israel? Seriously, please tell me how the events would unfold.

we’ve allowed the Taliban to regain power in Afghanistan,
Regain power? Hardly. Although neither of us is actually IN Afghanistan, by all reports Taliban entities have popped up in Afghanistan, but have not regained power.

As for the communism mention.. Well, communists were a lot of things, but they weren’t anything close to a bunch of terrorist cold-blooded killers. They were and are a valid political party who don’t sit around thinking up ways to kill us, so their ‘extinction’ is not an issue when compared to terrorists.
What history books have you read?!? I can’t believe I just read that.

Not a true Flip Flop in the John Kerry sense of the word. Really not even slightly inconsistent. Is this the best the dems can come up with?

If Iraq was never a direct threat, then why all the UN sanctions and why did they invade kuwait and why did saddam gas his own people. This is all common knowledge. The US isn’t the bad guy here. We didn’t start this war!

We can’t wave a magic wand and make the Taliban disappear either. What evidence is there that the Taliban has re-grouped? They certainly are not capable of returning to their former power.

3/4 of the Al Queda leadership has been put away already. Is that not progress?

George has been consistent throughout, and then when he does try to have a discussion about what winning the war on terrorism means, the dems all close thier ears and start yelling Flip Flop. The dems are against terrorism but have no clue on what actions should be taken. It’s like saying saying you’re all for clean air. Great. They are paralyzed, all they can do is criticize. What exactly is Kerry going to do about terrorism? Turn it over to the UN? Discuss options with France and Germany who have been poor allies due to the fact that they have been using Iraq to line their own pockets. Follow the money.

Compared to the rest of the world. George has the the US’s prioities straight and has taken decisive action to maintain our lives as we know it.

readnekker

“”We meet today in a time of war for our country, a war we did not start, but one that we will win”

So that makes it a “Flip-Flop-Flip”!

I’m not really talking about what I think I should do to fight terrorism, just pointing out the inconsistancies of GWB.

Iraq was never a direct threat to the US, nor were they a ‘terrorist regime’, and fighting that war has done nothing to make us safer from terrorism. In fact, by directing our attention to a local dictator that posed no direct threat to the U.S., we’ve allowed the Taliban to regain power in Afghanistan, Al-Queda is still killing people around the world, and oh yeah, Public Enemy #1 Osama is still out there.

The fact that Iraq has hindered us in the fight against terror is well documented, and a widely accepted fact. I can post sources for that, or search my former posts.

As for the communism mention.. Well, communists were a lot of things, but they weren’t anything close to a bunch of terrorist cold-blooded killers. They were and are a valid political party who don’t sit around thinking up ways to kill us, so their ‘extinction’ is not an issue when compared to terrorists.

I realize that terrorists have been after us since before 9/11.. I’m one of the first to say that actually, but again, I’m not talking above about what I think is the way to go, just pointing out the vast contradictions that GWB makes on an issue which is supposed to be his bread and butter.

I’m just pointing out that if anyone is to blame for the meaning of his words sounding twisted, it’s not the democrats to blame, it’s him and his speach writers.

The war on Iraq makes us safer by eliminating a potential terror threat to the US. The war on terrorism and the war on Iraq are the same thing. Is that so hard to understand? Again, I prefer war to the idea of saddam festering over there just waiting for a chance to kill americans. Or maybe we should just leave the mess for future generations to act upon - if they’re still alive.

The democrat pundits are twisting the prez’s words and meaning. And does winning the war on terror mean that there is not a single terrorist on the face of the earth? We won the cold war but we still have communists. It’s easy to point fingers when you don’t have to make the big decision.

How about YOU explain how we are less safe than before. Remember - the terrorists have been at war with us for much longer than 911.

readnekker

Please explain how the war in Iraq makes us more safe and not less safe.

djc was just pointing out that it’s an interesting time to suddenly ‘be realistic.’

And of course you would choose war. It’s easy to do when you don’t have to go and the destruction is happening on the other side of the world. Why wouldn’t you choose war?!

If our choice is war or the acceptance of a graver threat. I would choose war.

Should we spend a trillion on an unrealistic goal of completely eliminating terrorism? or should we wisely spend a few billion to take away the greatest threats to our security?

Maybe you would like to enlighten us with what you beleive should be done since “W” can do nothing right in your eyes.

readnekker