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	<title>Comments on: Deranged Wacko Kills 5 Hunters in Northern Wisconsin</title>
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	<description>Progressive commentary &#038; Wisconsin politics by Daniel Cody of Milwaukee, Wisconsin.</description>
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		<title>By: rudy</title>
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		<dc:creator>rudy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Feb 2005 15:22:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>heard on the news the other day that there was this woman shot by deerhunters in her own back yard in maine

news story kept referring to her as "jane doe"

;o)
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>heard on the news the other day that there was this woman shot by deerhunters in her own back yard in maine</p>
<p>news story kept referring to her as &#8220;jane doe&#8221;</p>
<p>;o)</p>
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		<title>By: Dan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Jan 2005 20:35:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah well the Constitution also says that for lawsuits over twenty dollars you are entitled to trial by jury, but we've adjusted that... haven't we?

Maybe when that was written they didn't really envision that people would ever sue for more than fifty dollars or that guns would be able to fire hundreds of rounds per minute.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah well the Constitution also says that for lawsuits over twenty dollars you are entitled to trial by jury, but we&#8217;ve adjusted that&#8230; haven&#8217;t we?</p>
<p>Maybe when that was written they didn&#8217;t really envision that people would ever sue for more than fifty dollars or that guns would be able to fire hundreds of rounds per minute.</p>
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		<title>By: JEREMY</title>
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		<dc:creator>JEREMY</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Jan 2005 18:04:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Read our 2ND AMENDMENT rights. It says: FREEDOM TO BEAR ARMS.

It does not say: ...except ones with big clips.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Read our 2ND AMENDMENT rights. It says: FREEDOM TO BEAR ARMS.</p>
<p>It does not say: &#8230;except ones with big clips.</p>
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		<title>By: Yeah Boy</title>
		<link>http://dancody.org/archives/deranged-wacko-kills-5-hunters-in-northern-wisconsin.html#comment-1538</link>
		<dc:creator>Yeah Boy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Nov 2004 20:43:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>mwarden -

Interesting take .. much better idea than other options that have been proposed.  

I like your take on this subject.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>mwarden -</p>
<p>Interesting take .. much better idea than other options that have been proposed.  </p>
<p>I like your take on this subject.</p>
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		<title>By: mwarden</title>
		<link>http://dancody.org/archives/deranged-wacko-kills-5-hunters-in-northern-wisconsin.html#comment-1537</link>
		<dc:creator>mwarden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Nov 2004 20:15:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hunting isn't the only valid reason to have a gun.

Every time the government tries to legislate guns by banning them, they mess it up. For example, the Assault Weapons Ban bans certain caliber guns that "look scary" but leaves alone other guns with the &lt;em&gt;exact same firepower&lt;/em&gt;. Further, most fully-automatic guns are illegal, but you can buy a $15 trigger mod to turn any semi into a full automatic without breaking the law.

Guns fall into the class of items which serve a valid purpose but can be dangerous. Beer and liquor is another. Do we ban certain liquors, even though it often leads to violence and/or sexual assault (with a much higher frequency than these gun accidents, I might add)? No.

The existence of these items in the market is necessary, but the existence also causes a harm to society (because undesirables can get ahold of them second-hand).

So, what do we do with liquor and beer and gas (pollution) and ... and ... etc., since their existence in the market harms society? We tax them. We tax them to make up for the harm to society.

Guns are necessary in the market because they serve valid purposes. The fact that they are in the market harms society. Therefore they should be taxed equal to the harm it causes.

I can GUARANTEE you that this tax would be a better, more efficient enforcer per dollar spent than ANY government agency. And you have the added benefit of making up for the harm that guns' existence in the market causes to society (you know, instead of creating even more harm to society by using its general tax money to fund the enforcement of a ban).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hunting isn&#8217;t the only valid reason to have a gun.</p>
<p>Every time the government tries to legislate guns by banning them, they mess it up. For example, the Assault Weapons Ban bans certain caliber guns that &#8220;look scary&#8221; but leaves alone other guns with the <em>exact same firepower</em>. Further, most fully-automatic guns are illegal, but you can buy a $15 trigger mod to turn any semi into a full automatic without breaking the law.</p>
<p>Guns fall into the class of items which serve a valid purpose but can be dangerous. Beer and liquor is another. Do we ban certain liquors, even though it often leads to violence and/or sexual assault (with a much higher frequency than these gun accidents, I might add)? No.</p>
<p>The existence of these items in the market is necessary, but the existence also causes a harm to society (because undesirables can get ahold of them second-hand).</p>
<p>So, what do we do with liquor and beer and gas (pollution) and &#8230; and &#8230; etc., since their existence in the market harms society? We tax them. We tax them to make up for the harm to society.</p>
<p>Guns are necessary in the market because they serve valid purposes. The fact that they are in the market harms society. Therefore they should be taxed equal to the harm it causes.</p>
<p>I can GUARANTEE you that this tax would be a better, more efficient enforcer per dollar spent than ANY government agency. And you have the added benefit of making up for the harm that guns&#8217; existence in the market causes to society (you know, instead of creating even more harm to society by using its general tax money to fund the enforcement of a ban).</p>
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		<title>By: Yeah Boy</title>
		<link>http://dancody.org/archives/deranged-wacko-kills-5-hunters-in-northern-wisconsin.html#comment-1536</link>
		<dc:creator>Yeah Boy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Nov 2004 16:12:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The SKS is not an assault rifle, it's a semi automatic .. there is a big distinction.

The SKS has 10 rounds, this guy got a 20 round clip after market - what's your point? 

You are correct, magazines were limited to 10 rounds by the assault weapons ban, but it takes all of 3 seconds to swap magazines.  Besides, how do you know when this guy bought the 20 round clip? They were available during the ban. 

I'm upset by this story, too, but you seem to think it was the gun's fault somehow and restricting use would prevent this and it won't.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The SKS is not an assault rifle, it&#8217;s a semi automatic .. there is a big distinction.</p>
<p>The SKS has 10 rounds, this guy got a 20 round clip after market - what&#8217;s your point? </p>
<p>You are correct, magazines were limited to 10 rounds by the assault weapons ban, but it takes all of 3 seconds to swap magazines.  Besides, how do you know when this guy bought the 20 round clip? They were available during the ban. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m upset by this story, too, but you seem to think it was the gun&#8217;s fault somehow and restricting use would prevent this and it won&#8217;t.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Nov 2004 14:38:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I realize they never banned the SKS's themselves, but the 20 round clip &lt;em&gt;was&lt;/em&gt; banned if I recall correctly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I realize they never banned the SKS&#8217;s themselves, but the 20 round clip <em>was</em> banned if I recall correctly.</p>
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		<title>By: Cheryl Chase</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cheryl Chase</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Nov 2004 13:01:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Unfortunately, the AWB did not actually even ban assault weapons. Rather, it banned to manufacture of  certain weapons. Possession of weapons manufactured before the ban was never prohibited.

&lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_assault_weapons_ban_%28USA%29" rel="nofollow"&gt;
See Wikipedia on AWB&lt;/a&gt;

Futhermore, the SKS weapon used in the recent killings was not even covered by the AWB.
 &lt;a href="http://www.vpc.org/graphics/sksfactsheetfinal.pdf" rel="nofollow"&gt;
See Violence Prevention Center on SKS&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unfortunately, the AWB did not actually even ban assault weapons. Rather, it banned to manufacture of  certain weapons. Possession of weapons manufactured before the ban was never prohibited.</p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_assault_weapons_ban_%28USA%29" rel="nofollow"><br />
See Wikipedia on AWB</a></p>
<p>Futhermore, the SKS weapon used in the recent killings was not even covered by the AWB.<br />
 <a href="http://www.vpc.org/graphics/sksfactsheetfinal.pdf" rel="nofollow"><br />
See Violence Prevention Center on SKS</a></p>
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