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	<title>Comments on: In Brief: Bike Racks on Buses, New Aquatic Center, Drive In Movies at Miller Park, Praising Scott Walker</title>
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	<description>Progressive commentary &#38; Wisconsin politics by Dan Cody of Milwaukee, Wisconsin.</description>
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		<title>By: Dan Cody</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan Cody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2009 15:10:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well the problem in the article you mention is the demand is outstripping supply, I don&#039;t get how that&#039;s a knock against the racks.

About the &quot;better use of money&quot; question, like I said previously, I think reducing pollution and congestion on freeways and city streets is a worthwhile use of federal money.

Surely as worthwhile as a spending $700,000 on a fence around the Florida Emergency Operations Center in Tallahassee last year?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well the problem in the article you mention is the demand is outstripping supply, I don&#8217;t get how that&#8217;s a knock against the racks.</p>
<p>About the &#8220;better use of money&#8221; question, like I said previously, I think reducing pollution and congestion on freeways and city streets is a worthwhile use of federal money.</p>
<p>Surely as worthwhile as a spending $700,000 on a fence around the Florida Emergency Operations Center in Tallahassee last year?</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Silva</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave Silva</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jun 2009 16:41:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dan, I will agree that it won&#039;t always happen that both spots on the rack are in use.  I would hardly expect that to happen if someone wanted to go to, let&#039;s say, 76th &amp; Grange.  But if those bike racks are open and not in use, why have them?

I would expect the racks to have heavy use, at least initially, let say to the downtown area or to the UWM and Marquette campuses.  But after several days of waiting for several buses and an open rack, many students will just give up due to the hassel of having to wait and revert back to their previous mode of transportation to campus.  Since these racks are now only going to serve a very small segment of our population, can we justify the cost of the program.

Like I said, I think initially, some of the routes will have heavy use of the racks.  But after frustration sets in due to the delays, people will opt for convenience and not use them.  As an example, look at this story from Santa Fe dated in May, 2008: 

http://www.santafenewmexican.com/Local%20News/bike-to-work-week-Rider-struggles-with-city-buses

With all the fiscal problems all levels of government are experiencing, can we really justify this as a priority, or could this money have been put to a better use?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dan, I will agree that it won&#8217;t always happen that both spots on the rack are in use.  I would hardly expect that to happen if someone wanted to go to, let&#8217;s say, 76th &amp; Grange.  But if those bike racks are open and not in use, why have them?</p>
<p>I would expect the racks to have heavy use, at least initially, let say to the downtown area or to the UWM and Marquette campuses.  But after several days of waiting for several buses and an open rack, many students will just give up due to the hassel of having to wait and revert back to their previous mode of transportation to campus.  Since these racks are now only going to serve a very small segment of our population, can we justify the cost of the program.</p>
<p>Like I said, I think initially, some of the routes will have heavy use of the racks.  But after frustration sets in due to the delays, people will opt for convenience and not use them.  As an example, look at this story from Santa Fe dated in May, 2008: </p>
<p><a href="http://www.santafenewmexican.com/Local%20News/bike-to-work-week-Rider-struggles-with-city-buses" rel="nofollow">http://www.santafenewmexican.com/Local%20News/bike-to-work-week-Rider-struggles-with-city-buses</a></p>
<p>With all the fiscal problems all levels of government are experiencing, can we really justify this as a priority, or could this money have been put to a better use?</p>
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		<title>By: Dan H.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan H.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jun 2009 15:58:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dave- here are some answers- We have bike racks in Las Vegas and there is little time spent loading and unloading the bikes.  Usually, if there are people getting on the bus and paying their fare, the bike rider is already gone by the time the bus is ready to roll.
We also have a two rack system.  While I do not ride the bus that often, I haven&#039;t seen the situation come up where there are 3 bikes waiting for the bus.  Does it happen, probably, same thing happens when there are 4 wheelchair spaces on a bus and 5 wheelchair riders waiting to ride.  It can be a pain in the butt, but it happens- part of the transit system.
As for liability, I would assume you would take your own risk, unless the bus is somehow negligent.
per the Family Guy, $1400 seems awfully high, but hey it&#039;s government, it&#039;s not really your money, isn&#039;t it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dave- here are some answers- We have bike racks in Las Vegas and there is little time spent loading and unloading the bikes.  Usually, if there are people getting on the bus and paying their fare, the bike rider is already gone by the time the bus is ready to roll.<br />
We also have a two rack system.  While I do not ride the bus that often, I haven&#8217;t seen the situation come up where there are 3 bikes waiting for the bus.  Does it happen, probably, same thing happens when there are 4 wheelchair spaces on a bus and 5 wheelchair riders waiting to ride.  It can be a pain in the butt, but it happens- part of the transit system.<br />
As for liability, I would assume you would take your own risk, unless the bus is somehow negligent.<br />
per the Family Guy, $1400 seems awfully high, but hey it&#8217;s government, it&#8217;s not really your money, isn&#8217;t it?</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Silva</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave Silva</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jun 2009 15:01:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I thought of a couple of questions regarding the bike racks.

1 - Per the MCTS website, each rack can accomodate 2 bikes.  There suggestion for when the racks are in use, is to wait for the next bus.  Knowing this, how many bike riders will use the racks knowing that they may have to wait for several buses?
2 - How much in additional diesel fuel will the county spend while the buses idle waiting for the bikes to be mounted/dismounted from the racks?
3 - How will the additional time needed for mounting/dismounting bikes affect the non-bike bus riders on the bus?  Will those riders with a tight bus schedule need to take an earlier bus because they may miss their transfer bus?  Will some of those riders just opt to use their cars rather than spending even more time on a bus or having to leave their homes earlier?
4- How much is the liability insurance for this program going to cost?  Undoubtedly, some bikes will be damaged by stones, debris, etc. being kicked up by other traffic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thought of a couple of questions regarding the bike racks.</p>
<p>1 &#8211; Per the MCTS website, each rack can accomodate 2 bikes.  There suggestion for when the racks are in use, is to wait for the next bus.  Knowing this, how many bike riders will use the racks knowing that they may have to wait for several buses?<br />
2 &#8211; How much in additional diesel fuel will the county spend while the buses idle waiting for the bikes to be mounted/dismounted from the racks?<br />
3 &#8211; How will the additional time needed for mounting/dismounting bikes affect the non-bike bus riders on the bus?  Will those riders with a tight bus schedule need to take an earlier bus because they may miss their transfer bus?  Will some of those riders just opt to use their cars rather than spending even more time on a bus or having to leave their homes earlier?<br />
4- How much is the liability insurance for this program going to cost?  Undoubtedly, some bikes will be damaged by stones, debris, etc. being kicked up by other traffic.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan Cody</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan Cody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jun 2009 03:02:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ll make a point in the future to write about what topics that would please you and allow you to use phrases like &#039;crap sandwich&#039;. Maybe it&#039;s frustrating you that you can&#039;t get your childish jabs in on non-controversial subjects like drive in movies?

Where&#039;s your weblog by the way? Or maybe you can back up &#039;whopping crap sandwich&#039; with a real name to start.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll make a point in the future to write about what topics that would please you and allow you to use phrases like &#8216;crap sandwich&#8217;. Maybe it&#8217;s frustrating you that you can&#8217;t get your childish jabs in on non-controversial subjects like drive in movies?</p>
<p>Where&#8217;s your weblog by the way? Or maybe you can back up &#8216;whopping crap sandwich&#8217; with a real name to start.</p>
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		<title>By: mwarden</title>
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		<dc:creator>mwarden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jun 2009 02:58:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No one is saying it&#039;s a bad thing. Giving every American a car would be a good thing too. I think the point of the critics, and the point that is often lost on the left, is that the benefits need to outweigh the costs (and not just the portion of the cost paid by the state government).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No one is saying it&#8217;s a bad thing. Giving every American a car would be a good thing too. I think the point of the critics, and the point that is often lost on the left, is that the benefits need to outweigh the costs (and not just the portion of the cost paid by the state government).</p>
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		<title>By: Dan Cody</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan Cody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jun 2009 02:53:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And I&#039;d say that using tax money to increase ridership on mass transit, reduce congestion on the roads, help the environment and so on is a good thing.

Have you actually seen the racks yet? You might change some of your opinions about how much maintenance there will be if you had.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And I&#8217;d say that using tax money to increase ridership on mass transit, reduce congestion on the roads, help the environment and so on is a good thing.</p>
<p>Have you actually seen the racks yet? You might change some of your opinions about how much maintenance there will be if you had.</p>
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		<title>By: The Family Guy</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Family Guy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jun 2009 00:26:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ok, so other northern liberal politicians have put &quot;feel-good&quot; bike racks on buses; This does not make it a good idea to stick our tongue to the flag pole too.

No matter where the money came from, it is tax money and politicians have a responsibility to spend it where it does real good, not to simply waste it on populist crap.

The maintenance figure  comes from having to hire a special mechanic, and likely having to perform frequent repairs and replacement of racks that will be damaged by misuse, accidents and constant contact with the weather. As always, liberals overlook and underestimate the operating cost of a program

The folks using the racks will be few in number. The garbage put out by the lefty group that promoted the racks was silly. Very few people will be interested in taking a bicycle on the bus. If you have figures from a major cold-weather metropolitan area that show otherwise, I&#039;d love to see them. I suspect that there will be more empty bike racks even than empty seats on the unused downtown trolley.

But hey, we are a broke liberal city, so if you build it, they will come. If not, make it bigger and invent a new tax to support it. Rinse, repeat.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok, so other northern liberal politicians have put &#8220;feel-good&#8221; bike racks on buses; This does not make it a good idea to stick our tongue to the flag pole too.</p>
<p>No matter where the money came from, it is tax money and politicians have a responsibility to spend it where it does real good, not to simply waste it on populist crap.</p>
<p>The maintenance figure  comes from having to hire a special mechanic, and likely having to perform frequent repairs and replacement of racks that will be damaged by misuse, accidents and constant contact with the weather. As always, liberals overlook and underestimate the operating cost of a program</p>
<p>The folks using the racks will be few in number. The garbage put out by the lefty group that promoted the racks was silly. Very few people will be interested in taking a bicycle on the bus. If you have figures from a major cold-weather metropolitan area that show otherwise, I&#8217;d love to see them. I suspect that there will be more empty bike racks even than empty seats on the unused downtown trolley.</p>
<p>But hey, we are a broke liberal city, so if you build it, they will come. If not, make it bigger and invent a new tax to support it. Rinse, repeat.</p>
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		<title>By: BonyT</title>
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		<dc:creator>BonyT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Jun 2009 23:59:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;As for the cost, 90%+ of the cost of the racks was covered through a federal grant&quot;.....A yes the Free money tree Federal government, because there&#039;s Federal money available us libs have to spend it. By the way Dan, why have we seen no posts on the whopping crap sandwich your party is shoving down our throughts in the middle of the night called the Wisconsin budget, please keep focussing on the bigger issues like bike racks and drive in movies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;As for the cost, 90%+ of the cost of the racks was covered through a federal grant&#8221;&#8230;..A yes the Free money tree Federal government, because there&#8217;s Federal money available us libs have to spend it. By the way Dan, why have we seen no posts on the whopping crap sandwich your party is shoving down our throughts in the middle of the night called the Wisconsin budget, please keep focussing on the bigger issues like bike racks and drive in movies.</p>
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		<title>By: mwarden</title>
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		<dc:creator>mwarden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Jun 2009 21:04:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The problem with the system is that local governments think that 90-10 federal funding somehow alters the equation. Just because you socialize the costs of a program by charging 90% of the cost to people who will never benefit from it doesn&#039;t make the program cheaper. Do you think this is magic money that comes out of nowhere??? The truth is, most fed money is that is debt or printed money... both of which are FLAT TAXES and, as anyone on the left will tell you, hurts the poor and middle class way more than the rich.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problem with the system is that local governments think that 90-10 federal funding somehow alters the equation. Just because you socialize the costs of a program by charging 90% of the cost to people who will never benefit from it doesn&#8217;t make the program cheaper. Do you think this is magic money that comes out of nowhere??? The truth is, most fed money is that is debt or printed money&#8230; both of which are FLAT TAXES and, as anyone on the left will tell you, hurts the poor and middle class way more than the rich.</p>
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