Comments on: Milwaukee Republicans Show us the Meaning of Compassionate Conservatism http://dancody.org/archives/milwaukee-republicans-show-us-the-meaning-of-compassionate-conservatism.html Progressive commentary & Wisconsin politics by Dan Cody of Milwaukee, Wisconsin. Fri, 03 Sep 2010 04:39:27 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.1 By: Anonymous http://dancody.org/archives/milwaukee-republicans-show-us-the-meaning-of-compassionate-conservatism.html/comment-page-1#comment-1337 Anonymous Sat, 30 Sep 2006 00:49:03 +0000 http://dancody.org/wordpress/?p=569#comment-1337 disadvantageous gains needless perseverance celebration Kendall!positives?tally bidden, disadvantageous gains needless perseverance celebration Kendall!positives?tally bidden,

]]> By: W http://dancody.org/archives/milwaukee-republicans-show-us-the-meaning-of-compassionate-conservatism.html/comment-page-1#comment-1336 W Fri, 10 Sep 2004 15:24:41 +0000 http://dancody.org/wordpress/?p=569#comment-1336 Rachel, I agree with what you are saying. As a matter of fact, I think my views are completely different than most of the people on this weblog. I come here just for the "argument". Not to argue, but to put my side of the story out there and to hear opposing viewpoints. It's not healthy to sit in an echo chamber and hear your words over and over and reinforce your own ideals. I don't mean to offend anybody and I apologize if anybody took things personally. I just enjoy dialogue. :) Rachel,

I agree with what you are saying.

As a matter of fact, I think my views are completely different than most of the people on this weblog. I come here just for the “argument”. Not to argue, but to put my side of the story out there and to hear opposing viewpoints. It’s not healthy to sit in an echo chamber and hear your words over and over and reinforce your own ideals.

I don’t mean to offend anybody and I apologize if anybody took things personally. I just enjoy dialogue.

:)

]]> By: Rachel Karlsson http://dancody.org/archives/milwaukee-republicans-show-us-the-meaning-of-compassionate-conservatism.html/comment-page-1#comment-1335 Rachel Karlsson Wed, 08 Sep 2004 19:51:36 +0000 http://dancody.org/wordpress/?p=569#comment-1335 Guess what? I'm a democrat who likes to watch Fox News. Yep, there..I said it. And guess what else? I also love to listen to Charlie Sykes and Jeff Wagner on TMJ. I know, I'm probably going to hell now for admitting that, LOL (joke). I would be completely bored if I only listened to people who agreed with me about everything. I like to hear every side to an issue and then make up my own mind about it. And sometimes, I don't take sides period. I think we all basically want the same things in this country, we just have different ideas about how to get there. I love that people are entitled to having completely opposite opinions. I don't love how both sides like to bash each other. While I may be a democrat, I have nothing but respect for people who may believe differently (unless they're bigots). I thank them for sometimes opening my mind up to see things in a new way. I wish we all could stop fighting and learn to respectfully disagree. Why do people need to put each other down? It just seems so childish to me. How can we get anywhere when everything is so based on the 'my side is always right and your side is always wrong' kind of attitude. I am not talking about anyone here really, I'm just babbling in general. I just wish people would learn to be more tolerant, and not see everything through such a polarizing lens. I don't give a crap about a persons political affiliation, I just care that they're good people who mean well. Afterall, isn't that what really matters? Ok, end rant. Guess what? I’m a democrat who likes to watch Fox News. Yep, there..I said it. And guess what else? I also love to listen to Charlie Sykes and Jeff Wagner on TMJ. I know, I’m probably going to hell now for admitting that, LOL (joke). I would be completely bored if I only listened to people who agreed with me about everything. I like to hear every side to an issue and then make up my own mind about it. And sometimes, I don’t take sides period. I think we all basically want the same things in this country, we just have different ideas about how to get there. I love that people are entitled to having completely opposite opinions. I don’t love how both sides like to bash each other. While I may be a democrat, I have nothing but respect for people who may believe differently (unless they’re bigots). I thank them for sometimes opening my mind up to see things in a new way. I wish we all could stop fighting and learn to respectfully disagree. Why do people need to put each other down? It just seems so childish to me. How can we get anywhere when everything is so based on the ‘my side is always right and your side is always wrong’ kind of attitude. I am not talking about anyone here really, I’m just babbling in general. I just wish people would learn to be more tolerant, and not see everything through such a polarizing lens. I don’t give a crap about a persons political affiliation, I just care that they’re good people who mean well. Afterall, isn’t that what really matters? Ok, end rant.

]]> By: Dan http://dancody.org/archives/milwaukee-republicans-show-us-the-meaning-of-compassionate-conservatism.html/comment-page-1#comment-1334 Dan Wed, 08 Sep 2004 16:53:57 +0000 http://dancody.org/wordpress/?p=569#comment-1334 Pretty much everything you're responding to above seems to go on the assumption I was talking about you. I was actually talking about the link and the person from the site you posted from etalkinghead.com. And I'm not fired up or upset about anything, so not sure where that came from. For the record, I do think of myself as pretty objective. I try to take all sides into account before forming an opinion on something, and I don't just form opinions because I want to believe something. Calling <em>my</em> objectivity into question here because I posted a link to a story that was later found out to be incorrect is bullshit. Pretty much everything you’re responding to above seems to go on the assumption I was talking about you. I was actually talking about the link and the person from the site you posted from etalkinghead.com. And I’m not fired up or upset about anything, so not sure where that came from.

For the record, I do think of myself as pretty objective. I try to take all sides into account before forming an opinion on something, and I don’t just form opinions because I want to believe something. Calling my objectivity into question here because I posted a link to a story that was later found out to be incorrect is bullshit.

]]> By: W http://dancody.org/archives/milwaukee-republicans-show-us-the-meaning-of-compassionate-conservatism.html/comment-page-1#comment-1333 W Wed, 08 Sep 2004 14:13:12 +0000 http://dancody.org/wordpress/?p=569#comment-1333 <i>As for the 'THE AP IS THE LIBERAL MEDIA' conspiracy link, well that's someone's opinion and they're entitled to it. </i> 1) I didn't link to an AP is liberal link. I linked to a media is biased page. Completely different. 2) The intent of the link was to support the argument that the AP's story was <b>incorrect</b>. 3) I think a lot of people have said something along the lines of "media is liberal" to you. I, on the other hand, never did. Please don't get upset with me because of some deep seated issue with comments about liberal media. 4) A <b>reporter</b> is NOT entitled to his/her opinion when <b>working</b>. It's very similar to an earlier post you had about some religious guy not distributing birth control due to his personal belief. If a reporter cannot check his bias as the door, then s/he shouldn't be on the "front lines". Agreed? <i>I don't think you can label an entire organization as un-objective because one reporter got it wrong though.</i> You are correct. I, however, didn't label anybody anything. You did, I guess. I just said your facts were wrong. <i>Of course there's objectivity in the media!</i> Actually, I think there is <b>subjectivity</b> in the media. ;) (I'm assuming you meant subjectivity??) You say, "Of course", like I said there was subjectivity. I never said anything about media bias in the original post. <i>Why is there such a huge stink all the sudden when a single reporter got the facts wrong, and why is faux outrage over the lack of objectivity in the media confined to the AP?</i> I think the outrage is self-discovered. I don't have any outrage over this. I just merely pointed a source for an .mp3 file so you could hear the speech. You are outraged about something other than my comments. <i>Has this guy never seen Fox News?</i> I wouldn't know. However, I'm assuming you are saying that Fox news is somehow bias. Why should that be a surprise, all news is biased and people have a right to their opinion when giving the *NEWS!!!*, right?!! ;) I mean, two reporters from CNN are volunteering for the Kerry campaign. I'm sure they give completely objective reports! <i>If someone wants to get their panties in a bunch over subjectivity in the media, rock on.</i> Pretty sure the only person fired up about this is you. I have no problem with media subjectivity other than it's unethical, however I do like to point out when reporters are incorrect. <i>But at least try to be objective yourself when doing so.</i> An objective person would have investigated the report BEFORE s/he posted it on his/her weblog. A subjective person would just post the story without investigation because s/he wants to believe the story. An objective person researches both sides before commenting. Who's being objective?!?! I'm wondering how you can even say that I was not being objective. *sheesh* As for the ‘THE AP IS THE LIBERAL MEDIA’ conspiracy link, well that’s someone’s opinion and they’re entitled to it.
1) I didn’t link to an AP is liberal link. I linked to a media is biased page. Completely different.
2) The intent of the link was to support the argument that the AP’s story was incorrect.
3) I think a lot of people have said something along the lines of “media is liberal” to you. I, on the other hand, never did. Please don’t get upset with me because of some deep seated issue with comments about liberal media.
4) A reporter is NOT entitled to his/her opinion when working. It’s very similar to an earlier post you had about some religious guy not distributing birth control due to his personal belief. If a reporter cannot check his bias as the door, then s/he shouldn’t be on the “front lines”. Agreed?

I don’t think you can label an entire organization as un-objective because one reporter got it wrong though.
You are correct. I, however, didn’t label anybody anything. You did, I guess. I just said your facts were wrong.

Of course there’s objectivity in the media!
Actually, I think there is subjectivity in the media. ;) (I’m assuming you meant subjectivity??) You say, “Of course”, like I said there was subjectivity. I never said anything about media bias in the original post.

Why is there such a huge stink all the sudden when a single reporter got the facts wrong, and why is faux outrage over the lack of objectivity in the media confined to the AP?
I think the outrage is self-discovered. I don’t have any outrage over this. I just merely pointed a source for an .mp3 file so you could hear the speech. You are outraged about something other than my comments.

Has this guy never seen Fox News?
I wouldn’t know. However, I’m assuming you are saying that Fox news is somehow bias. Why should that be a surprise, all news is biased and people have a right to their opinion when giving the *NEWS!!!*, right?!! ;) I mean, two reporters from CNN are volunteering for the Kerry campaign. I’m sure they give completely objective reports!

If someone wants to get their panties in a bunch over subjectivity in the media, rock on.
Pretty sure the only person fired up about this is you. I have no problem with media subjectivity other than it’s unethical, however I do like to point out when reporters are incorrect.

But at least try to be objective yourself when doing so.
An objective person would have investigated the report BEFORE s/he posted it on his/her weblog.
A subjective person would just post the story without investigation because s/he wants to believe the story.
An objective person researches both sides before commenting. Who’s being objective?!?! I’m wondering how you can even say that I was not being objective. *sheesh*

]]> By: Dan http://dancody.org/archives/milwaukee-republicans-show-us-the-meaning-of-compassionate-conservatism.html/comment-page-1#comment-1332 Dan Tue, 07 Sep 2004 21:21:21 +0000 http://dancody.org/wordpress/?p=569#comment-1332 Indeed, looks like the reporter got it wrong.. Josh Marshall has an <a href="http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/week_2004_08_29.php#003427" rel="nofollow">interesting wrap up of this</a> from another reporter who was there: <blockquote>They didn't boo. More accurately, the overwhelming number of people didn't boo (I heard maybe one or two, and even those died with "hospitalized.") AP got it wrong. When Bush said "En route here we just received news that President Clinton has been hospitalized in New York," there was a big intake of breath and some loud "oohs" in the crowd. It was unmistakably shock. No boos. Bush then followed up, and the official transcript has it right: "He is in our thoughts and prayers. We send him our best wishes for a swift and speedy recovery. (Applause.)"</blockquote> As for the 'THE AP IS THE LIBERAL MEDIA' conspiracy link, well that's someone's opinion and they're entitled to it. I don't think you can label an entire organization as un-objective becuase one reporter got it wrong though. I mean, the guy starts out with the tongue in cheek <em>"Everybody knows that the media is not biased, right? There is no tendency for their political leanings to influence their reporting. Reporters do not selectively include or exclude facts based on their own political views. No, that never happens.</em> Of course there's objectivity in the media! Why is there such a huge stink all the sudden when a single reporter got the facts wrong, and why is faux outrage over the lack of objectivity in the media confined to the AP? Has this guy never seen Fox News? If someone wants to get their panties in a bunch over subjectivity in the media, rock on. But at least try to be objective yourself when doing so. Indeed, looks like the reporter got it wrong.. Josh Marshall has an interesting wrap up of this from another reporter who was there:

They didn’t boo. More accurately, the overwhelming number of people didn’t boo (I heard maybe one or two, and even those died with “hospitalized.”) AP got it wrong.

When Bush said “En route here we just received news that President Clinton has been hospitalized in New York,” there was a big intake of breath and some loud “oohs” in the crowd. It was unmistakably shock. No boos.

Bush then followed up, and the official transcript has it right: “He is in our thoughts and prayers. We send him our best wishes for a swift and speedy recovery. (Applause.)”

As for the ‘THE AP IS THE LIBERAL MEDIA’ conspiracy link, well that’s someone’s opinion and they’re entitled to it. I don’t think you can label an entire organization as un-objective becuase one reporter got it wrong though.

I mean, the guy starts out with the tongue in cheek “Everybody knows that the media is not biased, right? There is no tendency for their political leanings to influence their reporting. Reporters do not selectively include or exclude facts based on their own political views. No, that never happens.

Of course there’s objectivity in the media! Why is there such a huge stink all the sudden when a single reporter got the facts wrong, and why is faux outrage over the lack of objectivity in the media confined to the AP? Has this guy never seen Fox News?

If someone wants to get their panties in a bunch over subjectivity in the media, rock on. But at least try to be objective yourself when doing so.

]]> By: Yeah Boy http://dancody.org/archives/milwaukee-republicans-show-us-the-meaning-of-compassionate-conservatism.html/comment-page-1#comment-1331 Yeah Boy Sun, 05 Sep 2004 02:29:11 +0000 http://dancody.org/wordpress/?p=569#comment-1331 Here - please check it out ... <a href="http://www.etalkinghead.com/archives/ap-abandons-objectivity-2004-09-04.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.etalkinghead.com/archives/ap-abandons-objectivity-2004-09-04.html</a> AND Here is a link to the part of the aforementioned speech: <a href="http://homepage.mac.com/mkoldys/bush.mp3" rel="nofollow">http://homepage.mac.com/mkoldys/bush.mp3</a> Thoughts? Here – please check it out …

http://www.etalkinghead.com/archives/ap-abandons-objectivity-2004-09-04.html
AND
Here is a link to the part of the aforementioned speech:
http://homepage.mac.com/mkoldys/bush.mp3

Thoughts?

]]> By: Yeah Boy http://dancody.org/archives/milwaukee-republicans-show-us-the-meaning-of-compassionate-conservatism.html/comment-page-1#comment-1330 Yeah Boy Sun, 05 Sep 2004 02:23:22 +0000 http://dancody.org/wordpress/?p=569#comment-1330 I also saw the coverage and Rachel is correct. I am not a democrat so I guess you have both sides now. Oh, I see .. <i>In the interest of timeliness, this story is fed directly from the newswire and may contain occasional typographical errors.</i> By typographical errors, they mean completely inaccurate reporting. I also saw the coverage and Rachel is correct. I am not a democrat so I guess you have both sides now.

Oh, I see ..
In the interest of timeliness, this story is fed directly from the newswire and may contain occasional typographical errors.

By typographical errors, they mean completely inaccurate reporting.

]]> By: Rachel Karlsson http://dancody.org/archives/milwaukee-republicans-show-us-the-meaning-of-compassionate-conservatism.html/comment-page-1#comment-1329 Rachel Karlsson Fri, 03 Sep 2004 20:24:03 +0000 http://dancody.org/wordpress/?p=569#comment-1329 Hi Dan, I saw coverage of Bush's visit on TV (not sure if it was one of our local channels or cable news), and maybe I'm completely delusional (which is quite possible, lol), but I didn't hear any booing when he expressed his well wishes for Bill Clinton. All I heard was applause. So I'm not sure how accurate that article you linked to is. Just thought I'd let ya know. I wouldn't lie to ya, I am a democrat :) Hi Dan,

I saw coverage of Bush’s visit on TV (not sure if it was one of our local channels or cable news), and maybe I’m completely delusional (which is quite possible, lol), but I didn’t hear any booing when he expressed his well wishes for Bill Clinton. All I heard was applause. So I’m not sure how accurate that article you linked to is. Just thought I’d let ya know. I wouldn’t lie to ya, I am a democrat :)

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