Comments on: What Ever it Takes To Win http://dancody.org/archives/what-ever-it-takes-to-win.html Progressive commentary & Wisconsin politics by Dan Cody of Milwaukee, Wisconsin. Mon, 1 Dec 2008 18:39:15 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6 By: Yeah Boy http://dancody.org/archives/what-ever-it-takes-to-win.html#comment-1464 Yeah Boy Mon, 01 Nov 2004 15:43:48 +0000 http://dancody.org/wordpress/?p=592#comment-1464 <i>then why try to make the crowd look bigger</i> He wasn't trying to make the crowd look bigger. He replaced the soldiers behind him (that you couldn't see when he was standing there) with soldiers to the right and left of him. Oooohhhh. then why try to make the crowd look bigger

He wasn’t trying to make the crowd look bigger. He replaced the soldiers behind him (that you couldn’t see when he was standing there) with soldiers to the right and left of him. Oooohhhh.

]]> By: Dan http://dancody.org/archives/what-ever-it-takes-to-win.html#comment-1463 Dan Sat, 30 Oct 2004 15:54:46 +0000 http://dancody.org/wordpress/?p=592#comment-1463 Right, no one really said that it was a scandel and I didn't imply that.. I'm just continuing to point out their problem with being straight about things. If it wasn't such a big deal, then why try to make the crowd look bigger? Maybe if they weren't totally anal about screening who they did let into their rallys and didn't force people to take oaths or pledges, they would have the size of crowds they're trying to portray in that ad :) Right, no one really said that it was a scandel and I didn’t imply that.. I’m just continuing to point out their problem with being straight about things.

If it wasn’t such a big deal, then why try to make the crowd look bigger? Maybe if they weren’t totally anal about screening who they did let into their rallys and didn’t force people to take oaths or pledges, they would have the size of crowds they’re trying to portray in that ad :)

]]> By: mwarden http://dancody.org/archives/what-ever-it-takes-to-win.html#comment-1462 mwarden Sat, 30 Oct 2004 01:21:06 +0000 http://dancody.org/wordpress/?p=592#comment-1462 It sure isn't as innocent as Yeah Boy originally suggests. That said, I don't see this as much different than typical cinematic techniques (like zooming in on person after person with a certain reaction, that implies the entire crowd of a large number is having that same reaction). Or... how about paying actors. Come on. It's a commercial. Now, if the Bush administration were to distribute a fake <em>news</em> piece on... say... a new health care policy, that would be unexcusable. ;-) It sure isn’t as innocent as Yeah Boy originally suggests. That said, I don’t see this as much different than typical cinematic techniques (like zooming in on person after person with a certain reaction, that implies the entire crowd of a large number is having that same reaction). Or… how about paying actors.

Come on. It’s a commercial.

Now, if the Bush administration were to distribute a fake news piece on… say… a new health care policy, that would be unexcusable.

;-)

]]> By: Les http://dancody.org/archives/what-ever-it-takes-to-win.html#comment-1461 Les Fri, 29 Oct 2004 19:58:01 +0000 http://dancody.org/wordpress/?p=592#comment-1461 Yeah Boy, read my comment again. I was actually agreeing with you that the ad is not some huge scandal. The point I was trying to make is that the Bush team on numerous occasions has meticulously tailored the images that appear on our television screens to create a facade that simply isn't there! The irony of the "Made in China" boxes cannot escape you. In a speech designed to bolster confidence in the American economy, they had to doctor the very props that were used in their photo op! If I recall the story correctly, the boxes in front are not the only things that have been altered. The boxes directly behind Bush are actually a backdrop with "Made in the U.S.A." on them. Is this some sort of controversy that threatens the very stability of the republic? Of course not. I'm sure Dan will agree with me that we just get a kick out of seeing random examples of "reality-sculpting", if you will, from the same team that presented a British college student's outdated thesis, with incendiary language added, to the U.N. Security Council two years ago as our justification for war. Yeah Boy, read my comment again. I was actually agreeing with you that the ad is not some huge scandal. The point I was trying to make is that the Bush team on numerous occasions has meticulously tailored the images that appear on our television screens to create a facade that simply isn’t there!

The irony of the “Made in China” boxes cannot escape you. In a speech designed to bolster confidence in the American economy, they had to doctor the very props that were used in their photo op! If I recall the story correctly, the boxes in front are not the only things that have been altered. The boxes directly behind Bush are actually a backdrop with “Made in the U.S.A.” on them.

Is this some sort of controversy that threatens the very stability of the republic? Of course not. I’m sure Dan will agree with me that we just get a kick out of seeing random examples of “reality-sculpting”, if you will, from the same team that presented a British college student’s outdated thesis, with incendiary language added, to the U.N. Security Council two years ago as our justification for war.

]]> By: Yeah Boy http://dancody.org/archives/what-ever-it-takes-to-win.html#comment-1460 Yeah Boy Fri, 29 Oct 2004 19:06:39 +0000 http://dancody.org/wordpress/?p=592#comment-1460 <i>The careful manipulation of what the public sees and hears is PRECISELY what this administration has mastered</i> You also have to explain to me how this picture was in any way manipulative? The took Bush out of the picture ... were they supposed to leave that area blank to put the text over? The careful manipulation of what the public sees and hears is PRECISELY what this administration has mastered

You also have to explain to me how this picture was in any way manipulative? The took Bush out of the picture … were they supposed to leave that area blank to put the text over?

]]> By: Yeah Boy http://dancody.org/archives/what-ever-it-takes-to-win.html#comment-1459 Yeah Boy Fri, 29 Oct 2004 19:05:28 +0000 http://dancody.org/wordpress/?p=592#comment-1459 <i>No, this doctored ad is not an earth-shattering scandal</i> My point is that this "scandal" is really a non issue. Also, the cnn.com link ... non issue. Who cares if they cover up labels that say "made in China". I know products are made in China and purchased here. Had he not covered them up you would be laughing at him for standing in front of a bunch of boxes that read "Made in China". No, this doctored ad is not an earth-shattering scandal

My point is that this “scandal” is really a non issue.

Also, the cnn.com link … non issue. Who cares if they cover up labels that say “made in China”. I know products are made in China and purchased here. Had he not covered them up you would be laughing at him for standing in front of a bunch of boxes that read “Made in China”.

]]> By: Les http://dancody.org/archives/what-ever-it-takes-to-win.html#comment-1458 Les Fri, 29 Oct 2004 16:35:28 +0000 http://dancody.org/wordpress/?p=592#comment-1458 Reaching? The careful manipulation of what the public sees and hears is PRECISELY what this administration has mastered. No, this doctored ad is not an earth-shattering scandal. It is, however, the latest pathetic example of this administration's attempts to blur reality to better suit their agenda. Check this out: www.cnn.com/2003/ALLPOLITICS/01/22/bush.boxes How long can we stomach Karl Rove and his hoodlums denying any kind of involvement in these situations and blaming "overzealous volunteers" instead? Oh, right. Three more days. Reaching? The careful manipulation of what the public sees and hears is PRECISELY what this administration has mastered. No, this doctored ad is not an earth-shattering scandal. It is, however, the latest pathetic example of this administration’s attempts to blur reality to better suit their agenda. Check this out:

http://www.cnn.com/2003/ALLPOLITICS/01/22/bush.boxes

How long can we stomach Karl Rove and his hoodlums denying any kind of involvement in these situations and blaming “overzealous volunteers” instead?

Oh, right. Three more days.

]]> By: Yeah Boy http://dancody.org/archives/what-ever-it-takes-to-win.html#comment-1457 Yeah Boy Fri, 29 Oct 2004 02:04:28 +0000 http://dancody.org/wordpress/?p=592#comment-1457 You are reaching again ... they wanted to take Bush out of the picture, so they replace him with the stamp tool used in Photoshop - I pretty sure you've done similar techniques. You really think W and Cheney sat down with a Mac and started doctoring up the photo? This is such a non issue. Besides, did you ever think that maybe the military has more than the usual number of triplets/twins?! Sheesh. ;) You are reaching again … they wanted to take Bush out of the picture, so they replace him with the stamp tool used in Photoshop - I pretty sure you’ve done similar techniques. You really think W and Cheney sat down with a Mac and started doctoring up the photo? This is such a non issue.

Besides, did you ever think that maybe the military has more than the usual number of triplets/twins?! Sheesh. ;)

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